This week one of my students (Yeli Mayor) asked me to look into this new internet networking software that is about to be launched in Aug. 2008 and wanted to know what I thought of it after applying my own analytical skills to it. So I went to the webiste, and watched a little demo video, skimmed around the home page and Privacy page and came to my own conclusion.
Online networking is the new craze in this technologically savvy society that we live in today. Speaking for myself I have had a myspace account for several years and just got into Facebook. I love it! I think it is one of the most powerful tools we have out there to keep in touch with people, to make people aware of events, groups, news, etc. that interest us and may possibly interest others. But what if someone told you, you could make money off of networking with people? Would you be interested?
It appears that is what ZenZuu is proposing. Check it out for yourself at http://www.zenzuu.com/, watch the intro video and use the skills that I have taught you about analyzing rhetorical strategies that are being used to propose and sell a product to you. Pay close attention to the details.
Rather than responding and writing on your own blog though, I want you to enter your reactions and analysis here on mine as a comment so that your peers can read what you think and you can react to one another as well.
DO NOT ANSWER SIMPLY BY SAYING: "I DON"T BUY IT" OR"IT'S TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE" - ANALYZE WHY OR WHY NOT YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE OR ARE OR ARE NOT CONVINCED!! YOU ARE STILL GRADED ON THESE!
Also, stay tuned for extra credit prompts in the coming days. As the semester comes to an end I like to give last minute opportunities to make up missed blogs by giving additional prompts.
57 comments:
Hey. I am not too sure about this new networking thing. After watching the video, I thought it was very well done. It contained everything that it is needed to make anyone at least visit the page. Honestly though, I do not really like networking online. I do have a myspace, and also a facebook, but I found out that it does not really fulfill my social needs. Out of the 40 or so friends I have on myspace, I only interact with about 5 to 10 of them. Is not that I'm antisocial or anything, at the contrary, but I guess I just don't like it. I prefer to talk to you personally, and really pay attention to what you have to say. I barely check these pages anymore.
Back on the video though, it just seems too good to be true. But then again, it is just my opinion; people do as they wish.
I think this is too good to be true also. I dont really think it is real and i probably wouldnt end up doing it. The video says alot of information and a lot of things that may convice people but for me it doesnt seem really realistic. I do however have facebook and i think it is a great way to keep in touch. I like online networking because it helps me keep in touch with my friends & family in california and guatemala and i think it is just a great way to interact but it will never be better than actually socially interacting with people in person. But the video didnt really convince me and after visit the webpage..even thought it seems like a good idea..i didnt really believe it.
First of all, after watching the introduction clip, I think the whole thing is sketchy. If you listened carefully, you do not actually start making money instantly. You have to compete for the revenue. After a month (30 days) of logging in, you can be ELIGIBLE (key word) to receive a share of the revenue pie. Meaning that you have to qualify and it is not a guaranteed thing that you will suddenly be making hundreds of dollars off the social network. I personally would not take part of Zenzuu and I do not believe that the social network will help you make money. To me, it is not creditable. I think this because I do not really believe in online things that have slogans like “helps you make money.” I believe that if it were that easy to make hundreds of dollars, then everyone would do it and no one would need to have a job or go to school.
The movie clip does have several rhetorical strategies but I, personally, do not find them all to be very valid or creditable. First, he states that his audience is anyone from the richest to the poorest. He appeals to the logos by saying that Zenzuu shares 80% of the advertising revenue. This factual data helps him establish logos and appeals to the audience’s logic. 80% seems like a large amount so people would probably be in favor of it. The man also appeals to his audience’s pathos. He uses figurative language and repetition in his argument. He repeats information that he feels is important and that will appeal to his audience. This style of informing information to the audience is effective because it emphasizes on his major points. For example, he restates the sentence about 80% sharing revenue and statements that include the amount of money one can make several times. He states things like “they earn money, you earn money” which evokes an emotional response because people like the idea of making money. He did appeal to ethos and used language that was appropriate for his audience, but I still personally do not think that his points are reliable. In his presentation, he used a strong tone of voice to persuade his audience. The website also uses phrases like “One Zenzuu call could change your life!” to appeal to the audience’s pathos and persuade them that Zenzuu is an opportunity to make easy money off a social network. I would not be interested in participating in Zenzuu and do not personally believe it is fully creditable.
Well, after checking out the website and watching the video, I did't think this was real, however, i do think it will be effective to an extent. Aside from the fact that it helps you make money, nothing else is really appealing. It sounds really fake and the guy that was in the video didnt come across as trustworthy or reliable. They could have done a better job by getting someone that was more credible, and by not emphasizing so much on the money so it wouldn't come across as unbelievable.
I really think this is completely sketchy. And I bet somewhere along the line, you will have to give some of your own money. It just does not seem legitimate. First of all, the site name, ZenZuu, does not sound professional. Second of all, the man's name, Joe Risk? That does not sound like a real name and it does not make me want to believe him.I really do not think it appealed to logos and ethos at all. Who is Joe Risk anyway? He is just a man that speaks abouts the website. It appeals to ethos because he tries to convince people with his tone of voice and he says how easy it is to make money just from doing this. The video also really just does not explain what you do on the site either. You really ahve to pay attention to what he the man says because first of all, you have to log into the site 30 times before you receive anything and that is if you are even eligible and then you also have to recruit people and those people have to login 30 times as well and they may not even do that so you probably won't even make much fo a profit and that's if they even pay you. I read everyone else's opinions and everyone makes valid points and we all seem to agree that the website is not reliable.
Ladies and Gentlemen, as you read your peers comments, notice the ones that are on track with the thinking process here. Remember that you get graded for these. At this point I would recommend paying close attention to Kim's entry and Nicole's!!
Since the first beginning of the video, this new social network seemed to be a joke. First of all, what would make you believe that a program that you never heard about will give you easy money just for joining the network and visiting the website at least 30 times a month? Unbelievable deal right?! The next thing is the name of the man; Joe Risk. Isn’t it an implicit information about the program; a RISK? I do not know any serious business person whose name is Risk, Failure, Fraud, Danger, or anything like that. I don’t want to “ risk” myself, especially when talking about money. Third weirdness about the video: apparently it is a home made video. The video was made with no effort and the recording strategy made me fell nauseated. The camera moving from one side to another, turning around, and don’t centralizing the speaker made me question myself “Am I still drunk from last night or the video is unprofessional and bizarre?” The man is sitting in a couch, in a dark place, with a painting on his back; definitely it doesn’t look like an office. It looks like his living room. The audio is bad; the sound seems to echoes and the man’s voice is annoying.
Later on, analyzing his speech I wondered: if other social networks are successfully making so much money, why would someone create a network to share their money? Nobody give away money like that. Another thing that I didn’t pay attention in the beginning but people effectively noticed are the key words that this man uses on his speech such as people will be eligible to receive the money. To make up all these down things on the video, the man appeals to pathos, presenting numbers, talking about how much money you could earn and etc. Strategies that hook up people since everybody feel attracted to money. Anyways, even with this tentative of distracting me from the catch ups of the video, all the characteristics presented on the video made me believe that this amazing money opportunity is a lie. It is not reliable at all and I would never share my information with such suspect person.
I don’t think this website is credible. First of all the name of the guy is not that credible, Joe Risk? I mean, is he foreshadowing that there might be risks if you sign up with this website? Second of all, the whole thing about “[they want to] help the people who helped them built their websites…” yeah right… We live in a society in which a lot of people only care about themselves and do not worry about others. If ‘they’ are making a lot of money I do not find it credible that they want to share with others, why would they do that? I think he is trying to appeal to pathos…showing that ‘they’ want to help everybody and change their economic status.
Also, the whole competition part it is not really appealing and credible. “all can compete for a revenue,” so is this a game? What do you have to do? After analyzing this, it does not look as easy as it sounds… Also, he clearly states that you are eligible to make a lot of money, so it is not guaranteed.
By giving the example of the Super Bowl he is appealing to the audience’s logos. A lot of people know that the advertisements during the super bowl are really expensive; therefore he is trying to appeal his audience to make a lot of money through this website. When he mentions all those big numbers he appeals the audience’s pathos, since the audience likes to make money, they will feel excited to have found an easy way to make a lot of money.
After watching that extremly long video I was less motivated to get into the whole networking thing. I seriously doubt that anyone can make money that easily. If not then I'm sure everyone would quit their jobs to join Zenzuu to become the next millionaire. Throughout the entire video I was often wondering who that joe guy was. He gave his audience no reason why to believe him afterall he could just be another paid actor trying to sell off a giant fake web-job-networking-thing. He never stated how he fit into the entire Zenzuu website. Also I noticed that he was the only person talking. When a person is trying to sell their product to the consumer, they usually provide interviews of people who have used the product to explain how wonderful it is. If not then they explain with extensive details how the product works. But Zenzuu apparently didn't think any of this was neccessary. Joe spent six minutes of my life repeating the same thing which could aggravate a consumer who might be interested in further details. The only appeals that I saw in the video was joes mathematical calculation to earning money via Zenzuu. And I don't know if anyone noticed but the way the video was shot seemed like a home made sort of thing. Who knows maybe it was joe's living room and his friend was filming the cheesy advertisement. Overall I didn't buy the who Zenzuu money making ad. I just don't see how logging into a website can provide so much money to so many people. One things I am curuos about is how Zenzuu will pay all those people at the end of that month. I'm sure people will have to pay some amount of money and over night Zenzuu will disappear along with their money.
In my opnion, as I have mentioned many times before, computers along with the majority of the internet is all a waste. Although myspace is a wonderful pass time and it does help keep contact with friends in far places while making new ones, it is still time consuming. Just one visit sucks away around 2 hours of your life and that's if you only have a few friends.
This site isn't the first time I've seen this method of making residual income (money that works for you and not vice versa. I know that these plans work and I do have myspace and facebook, so the idea of using both of these ideas together seems like a good plan. I read on almost everyone else's postings about it being too good to be true, but I've participated in those get rich quick schemes and come out on top with over $1000. You just have to learn to give it a chance, just like everyone else did with myspace and facebook. As far as the method of advertising goes, this video was shot from a home video camera which immediately reduced my level of interest bacause this is business and it should be carried out in an appropriate manner. His tone was on the ball though, using all the right words to make any individual want to jump the gun and hop right on this "money train", and it will succeed to some extent. I personally would not take part in this online networking community, but the thought of easy money would never leave my head. Everyone will do as they please and everyone is granted the ability to make their own decision...that was mine.
I believe it but I would be a bit hesitant to do it myself. I would have to see people I know do it and see how it worked for them. It almost sounds too good to be true. When I was watching the video I understood what the guy was saying but I felt like I was being brainwashed. What I don’t get is if these people are making all this money then why didn’t they invest a little more money and produce a good video that didn’t look like it was being filmed in someone’s living room. I have heard about these sites and though some are for real, a lot are schemes and too good to be true. That is how this one comes off to me, too good to be true. I challenge people to prove me wrong and sign up and show me how much money you make. I’m not going to believe what this guy is saying because obviously he’s going to say it works, he probably makes money off of all of us. I think what I disliked most about the idea was how it was presented to me. I felt like it was extremely low budget and I wasn’t persuaded very much at all. I mean the guys tie was backwards the whole video. How professional can this site be if the spokesman doesn’t even know how to dress?
I think that all those easy money kind of things usually have a catch which is why most people don't really buy into it and like kim said you have to compete for the revenue and then you MAY be ELIGIBLE. Also the money you make depends on the money others make, if they made one dollar, "you make a dolar," etc. I also agree with BigA on how the idea was sold. I dont think it was very professional and i had a hard time believing the guy. I dont even think the way he was peaking was very convincing. In theory the words he was using, like "money train" could work, but i felt like he was only telling me that i could make money by adding more and more friends, he never explained how we would get the money, or even how networking really works. He did attempt it with the super bowl metaphor, but it gave more of a vague idea than an explenation. I have facebook and myspace as well, and i know how to work basic technology but i am very uneducated on networking, and the video failed to educate or even convince me, so i would never ever partake in something like this.
After watching the video I wasn't easily persuaded. It seemed as if the whole idea had a catch to it. The main person in da video seemed superficial and fake. It was just a brainwashing tactic to get people to join the network. Nothing in this world is free..and as you can see, in the video there were some areas that the speaker didn't emphasize. He uses many rhetorical strategies such as logos, where he persuades his audience that 80% of the money will be shared with the members. Since 80% is a large amount, many peope will buy into it. Along with logos, he uses pathos to emotionally attract people, by saying wouldn't you like it if other networks you use gave you money for using their website. He repeats his information over and over. For some reason this whole idea seems fishy and not credible. If it was so easy to give money to members through social network, than this idea would have already been put to play by now.
I think this "make money without spending money" idea is too good to be true. First of all, the man trying to get people to join does not seem reliable at all. He never establishes credibility with his audience. I mean who is he anyway? Also, it looks like he is sitting in his living room. It looks like he was bored at home and tried to make his own infomercial. He uses a lot of repetition in his attempt to get people to join ZenZuu. He does a good job of getting the idea stuck in people's heads. His claim is very weak though. He does not appeal to logos or pathos. He needs to consider his audience's use of logic.
I think this is a scam and that the guy is not reliable at all. If it is true that money can be made, I'm sure you have to, at some point, spend money.
I would have to agree with Michelle. The guy seems like complete b.s, but he actually got me buying the crap he was saying... when he first started talking about the idea of making money without doing anything, it caught me a bit off guard.. i didnt believe and felt like i was being lied too. but after sticking through the commercial, i started to buy into it. of course i wasn't completely sold, but i was being to consider it... and felt like "what is there to lose?" i also know of another company that works similar to this site, its a wine/ drink thing called mona vie and you make money off the bottles you sell, and then the people who you get into selling the bottles themselves.. all these thing seem awesome and easy ways to make money, but how often do they work... in this video the man was able to explain how you would be eligible to make the 80%. you would have to sign in 30 times within the period of a month, along with having those 10 friends log in as well so you can have their match money. they basically give you the simple plan on how the site works. so you can't say they lied. i think there was a good job done with trying to "sell" this site to people, because i bought into it.
I never heard of a "money-making" website called Zen Zuu. The name does not even sound profitable or creditable. Then again, who knew Tila Tequila would launch her career off of myspace. Anyway,I believe that Zen Zuu is a scam because you are making money off of other's revenues. Plus, I want to know who and where is the money coming from?, and how do you make money off of other users? Because if you think about it, how does the money multiply off of one user to the next? I just do not get it! On the video, Joe "Risk" explained that Zen Zuu shares 80% of its revenue, but you have to be ELIGIBLE within the first 30 days. So that means you have to check in everyday to see if you have been approved, in other words, you are not guaranteed money "right off the bat". In addition, the video provided numerical values without showing how those figures would be achieved. However, Joe used both pathos and logos to appeal to his audience. He appeals to pathos by stating in the video "you can help people earn income". Also, the website uses the phrase " One Zen Zuu call can change your life". Clearly, the site is creating a dramatic tone by encouraging the visitor to help others "in need of the services", and by implying that this would be a life changing experience. Joe appeals to logic by referring to the Superbowl, because advertisements reap a lot of profit during the Superbowl due to the fact that MANY people watch it. Overall, Zen Zuu sounds corny and untrustworthy, because how can you trust a guy who has the last name "Risk"? Plus, the site is undeveloped, has no sponsors, and possibly cheats people out of their money.
Okay, so I'm going to write my analysis as I go along. I may be able to go back and forth with some of you, but don't rest your hopes on me.
First off, just by knowing what I know, ZenZuu has not made a global impact, I have neither heard or read up on this "new craze" so I am tentative and very wary of any "make quick cash", the way I read it off Tasha's blog, made it sound like a pyramid scheme of sorts. But I digress: First off, my initial reactions off the homepage: nice, clean, and updated. Seems somewhat like a MySpace page.
Now off to the video to find out more. Just by the guy's name, "Joe Risk", it makes me a little more certain on my ideas of how sketchy it appears to be. Now the whole "living room and hand held camera" just throws me. If you watching any of those infomercials, you know that what you see from this is different, not saying good or bad, but it does not paint a good picture or reputation or security. His goofy sounding voice and overly enthusiastic tone makes it seem like he's talking down, or rather over simplifying what he's saying. Kind of dumbing down the audience so that they will be able to buy into his scheme without asking too much questions. The constant hand movements and and throwing of big numbers just screams unprofessional and makes me cringe even more at the fact only 2 minutes have passed. Maybe he's using the magician trick: have the audience focus on one thing and they won't notice the rest. BTW, your tie is crooked Mr Risk.
There are no hard facts that he provides us with. No first hand testimony of clients that are happy with ZenZuu, not even graphs or charts to help us understand, the meaning behind all the Levels. He floods us with numbers and does not mention once about guarantee or if there are any compensations that must be made. Too much concentration on the good, and no information on the real. Too much BS, why do you assign stuff like this!
BTW, I do have a FaceBook, not a MySpace. I kind of got tired by all the spam messaging I received from these girls saying, "Check out my boobs on my new webcam." Only real thing MySpace is good for, music and upcoming artists. I do enjoy the benefits I receive from FaceBook. I'm able to find friends that I haven't spoken to in years, keep relations with new friends, and also find new events in which I can meet people and enjoy a good time with friends. But I'd rather stick with my non-check-paying social server.
When I first looked at the website it seemed like it was a credible sight. The nice graphics caught the eye. When I played the video the graphics showed that the designers may have known what they were doing. Although the first thing I noticed when Joe came on scene was that he was on a couch in a house. If these sight provides the opportunity to make a lot of money then it should seem more professional. I also noticed the extremely bad echo there was in the house, also makes it seem less professional. Another thing that caught my eye was the camera work. It was very distracting; the camera was constantly moving in and out and side to side. This problem could have easily been fixed with a simple tripod to steady the camera. I also think that the video was too long. Also Joe was actually very creepy, he really didn't present himself very well. Now to the actual information. It is too good to be true, I don't find myself believing in anything that Joe says. If it were that easy to make that amount of money then there would be no such thing as poverty, but unfortunately there is. I also don't believe that other online social networks make as much money off of advertisements as Joe said. I also don't believe that it is possible business wise to give away 80% of the advertisement revenue to the people that are subscribed to the sight. If so, then there must be some other way in which the sight is making money that we wouldn't know about. When I read the privacy policy, at first I thought alright it looks okay. Then it got to the you need to provide your credit card information. Hmm, that does sort of sound fishy. Since as far as I know, you only spend money with credit cards, it's not a bank account in which money can only be deposited into. I would not trust this sight with my information, and I sure wouldn't believe that I could make thousands of dollars from them so easily.
After watching the video i wasn't convinced. There was a lot of information about the networking process that he gave in order to recieve the money but there is a catch to it. You have to log in 30 times before you are even considered of getting money. Not only this, but how will they know what people you pulled in? It seems kind of shady to me. It's too good too be true. If this were so true im pretty sure a lot more people will be on this website computer or not because society today is in desperate need of money. As much as i like networking I wouldn't join this networking site. Also, as Nikki said he doesn't sound very professional. The choice of words may be good at moments but he tends to go on and on about nithing. What about the people that are new to networking? He never once brings up how it's done or even like i said earlier how they know who you're pulling in. Although he explains the benefits of this networking site he doesn't fully describe how the website actually works. You have to click around to find out, and me personally, I hate clicing around reading things. If he was going to make a video all of this should've been included in the video so the web surfer (like me) could be more interested and get a full understanding of what ZenZuu is all about.
(steven gerlach enc1102 12-12:50)
This zen zuu networking thing is actually really really cool.. they really appeal to what people are interested in. MONEY!!! if this thing really works out the way they plan it too they can possibly be huge! bigger then any other networking platform out here... I personally wont be joining in on the crazy because im just to lazy. but for others that might be interested i could wasly see why they would wont to try it out because it is an oppertunity and if things like that are handed to people they tend to take them.
The video is very very convincing and money talks. But it seems too good & too easy to be true. Also a small doubt kept rising within me - the spokespersons name is "Joe Risk" - couldn't they come up with a real name? I don't think that this company will work out because many people will have tons of doubt - it seems like a scam to me.
Also, Mr.Risk uses a lot of words that could have double meaning and it all just seems odd.
this guy looks like the type to be a scam artist. 80% seems like a great number but that 80% is going to all subscribers. $25,000 dollars my ass, they must be charging millions per each add. He is quick to point out the "on the surface" benefits but the whole structure is pretty confusing. So what happens after the tenth level. And who the hell is this guy? Like i am going to take advice from somebody that is not a reliable source. This is something that sounds too good to be true if it were possible, but i doubt that every body will get what is promised. This is something that is definitely not for me as i am the type of person that has to see it to believe it. And even if i did see it, i would feel uneasy about it. There must be a catch. People don't give out money, especially when our economy is going to shit. The reason he gave for giving out money seems improbable. so no thank you zenzuu.
So after I saw the video clip, I asked myself "Why doesn't this work for me?" Well first off who is he (Joe Risk) and what are his credentials? He speaks of how if one person makes a dollar then I would make a dollar and so forth. This tactic doesn’t work very well because he doesn't truly convince me that he is saying the truth, thus lacking logos. This also doesn’t work for me because there is no such thing as “free money.” One must earn their money. In addition, the name of the website is very unprofessional for a place that is going to be trading and shuffiling money around. In conclusion I believe that his rhetorical strategies were lacking and he did not sell his website to me.
Oh yea right, Mr. Joe Risk. i dont think this is a big scam. I find it hard to believe that in america, a land filled with outsourcing, companies are going to dish out payments to people. This is just like another pyramid scam to me. Although the video does appeal to our logics, because we all know companies can do that if they want to. We all know the purpose of a business is to make a profit, so why would a business give up profit. My mom always said if it sounds too good to be true then it probably is. even though i dont trust it, at the end of the day it cant hurt to try and take advantage of this site.
The introduction to this site that is kind of like the introduction of an essay is not effective. They say,"Seize your opportunity to cash in on the trillion dollar internet economy of social networking and global commerce with ZenZuu." I believe the internet is making a lot of money with the whole networking phenomena, but if the way to make an account is free, I do not see how it can be making trillions of dollars.The only way the internet could be making money off off of human networking, like places such as myspace and facebook get a certain amount of money for a certain amount of people they get to sign up for their site. I'm still very behind in my internet knowledge, but I see that that is the only way on how to make money off of networking sites. And, this is only for the makers. If the makers of sites such as these wanted their subscribers to also make money for networking, this site would've been posted prior to myspace and facebook. In a perfect world that would be the only way of making things fair(both maker and subscriber make money). But I do not believe this is a perfect world and therefore did not believe the validity of the statement, "you could make money off of networking." Nevertheless, I decided to check the video out. First of all,Joe Risk does not very original or true, he sounds very fake. I sort of understand his super bowl analogy, but he should get more in depth with he details of advertising revenue.Moreover, I think if the makers of sites such as facebook, myspace and livejournal were creative enough to think of the ideas, then why should they share their money with the subscribers. Taking 80% of the advertising revenue from the maker or owner would be like stealing someone's idea. I mean it is good that the "richest man" and the "poorest man" compete for revenue, its equality at its best, but somehow it seems to easy of a thing to do. It seems like there's a catch somewhere.Like I said earlier, I believe this is not a perfect world. Also, the ending or conclusion is boring. He repeats what he said in the beginning word for word.
OK, this is the sketchiest video i have ever seen. I do not trust this man at all and would never submit myself to that website. it has scam written all over it. the major thing that makes this video so shady is the setting. It looks like if this was filmed in someone's living room and if this guy is someone who has profitted from this AMAZING networking system then i think he would have the money to find a better filming location and better video equipment. The man looks like a crazy off the street which does not help him plea his case. all in all, it looks like a sham to me and i would not partake in such shenanigans. :)
After watching the intro video, I am convinced that it is not something that can work. It will also not convince many intelligent people to join solely based on the nature of the video, it seemed very shady. The guy speaking seemed shady, the room they filmed in seemed odd with the echo. When something involving money is brought up to be so very easy, it is usually too good to be true. This same idea has been attempted through email advertisements and those do not work so I do not see this being any different.
Honestly, after watching this video it seems that this man is full of it. It seems too good to be true that a person is able to gain income so easily. Also, this man has no credibility, so why should I believe him? The way the video is made doesn't seem professional and he talks to his audience unclearly, using complex terms of the company that the audience might not uderstand. It was very clever of him to repeat the amount of 80% because that is what most probably catches the audiences' attention. People are obssessed with money and his topic was solely about that and people are capable of trying or doing anything for money.
I wouldn't believe anything this website has to offer. The whole idea the creator's of this website offer is iffy at most. The idea is to make you do the work for them. They basically con people into joining their network and then tell you have the opportunity to make money by enlisting other people. The money that they say you can earn is not guaranteed, it is probable if the person using the website to make money sign's into the website at least 30 times a month. This just gives the person the chance of being eligible to become a representative to start making money, that is if you are chosen to be a rep because you are competing with others for that spot. Then you have to start enlisting at least 10 people for the company to basically throw you in a raffle to see who they will pick for the matching bonus. It all sounds pretty ridiculous if you ask me and the chances of making any substantial amount of money is scarce at most. The whole plan and name these people came up with is pretty bogus too. It will attract people though because of the fact it offers money which is a very effective tool in catching a person's eye. The only thing I can say this website would appeal to is ethos because of it's emphasis on monetary gain. In my opinion the whole thing is phony and should not be taken seriously.
After watching the introduction video and glancing through the website I found the entire thing to be highly ambiguous. Though they do their best to make it seem as though making money from enrolling yourself and others into this networking ring will "change your financial future" the details associated with this claim are not black and white. Notice how they grab your attention immediately by saying that it is a great oppurtunity to earn money and the video immediately starts playing. The man is in a suit upon a relatively comfortable sofa and is speaking in an incouraging manner which is meant to attract the large audience of everyone from "rich to poor". They begin to appeal to your logos by reemphasizing certain facts with numerical data to support it. For instance, he repeatedly says "80% of the advertising money made will go directly to it's users". They appeal to your emotions as well, because he says that everyone is eligible and it's an incredibly simple plan - all you need to do is to sign up as many people as possible. However, note that the number of people you induct is equivalent to the amount of money you are "eligible" to make. And, you are only eligible to make this money after meeting vaguely presented requirements - for instance, he says once that you must induct 10 people for you to make an equal amount. And, obviously eligibility does not translate into gauranteed money. All in all, I find the network to be something I myself would never participate in and am very warry of a pyramid scheme meant to benefit the creators.
I find it particularly hilarious that a man advocating to spend and invest time with this new "craze" would have the word "Risk" in his name. "Joe Risk" is akin to "Bob" or "John Doe" or any of the names that are so particularly generic that they would seem to be the type used for anecdotes or hypothetical scenarios. I am more than willing to be that the name itself is a marketing ploy made to make Zenzuu more memorable, one the works actually. Regardless on my view of the product, I can already tell you that that is a name I wont be forgetting, not for a while at least. The name is sweet short and to the point, Joe Risk, rolls off the tongue doesnt it? Imagine if his name was "Jonathan Riskardo" or something like that. That would not be as effective. This name sounds generic and simple but it is not (How many other Joe Risk do you know?).
This ad suffers from poor presentation. It is obvious that it is filmed in our buddy, Joe Risk's house or some other derivative. Awfully low budget considering they talk about paying the masses and they can't afford to be a more stylist in their videos. I could go on about the said discussion and the many double meanings he incurred with words such as "you may" and "eligible" (if this was as great as it said it was, it should be "Entitled")but the video flops for me, primarily, because it obviously presents Zenzuu with out flaws of any kind. This is a huge hit towards its credibility.
Further more the video lacks adequate "logos." Others may argue with me that it does, but for me THERE IS CLOSE TO NONE. If I were to consider such a product I would want statistical data, approximated figures that are relevant and based on that statistical data on realistic terms, and a hell of lot more than "You can make money!" Those figures would then present sound analysis from which reasoning can then begin, this video fails in all that. Percentages is for bottom dwellers if not accompanied by numbers. I can tell you that the new Frito chips contain "80% less fat", an amazing percentage, but when you look at the nutritional data in depth and see that the original was 1 gram of fat, .8 grams of fat less is nothing to write home about. I can also tell you, as someone selling you a medical product/treatment, that 90% of medical doctors recommend my treatment. Once again, sounds like a huge number but I can be saying that 9 out of 10 doctors I chose to interview agreed to what I said. Furthermore, you don't know if I particularly left out data that would lower the claim. I might have interviewed 100 doctors, disliked the results, choose 10 doctors out of that data and let one disagree as to sound somewhat credible (nothing is ever 100%). That then just leaves the question of how credible these doctors are, which again is needed. With out all of these figures, one cannot take a proper logical approach, making percentages meaningless. There are many instances where figures aren't crucial, but this is an economic issue(about money) and requires them.
Terms and conditions are watered down.We don't know the cost of jumping on the Zenzuu band wagon, and there are always a cost, a fundamental principle in regards to just about anything. We don't know how much they profit from all of this and they assume me naive if they expect me to think that their doing this with out thinking of the profits. There has to be incentive to create and organization and they haven't presented theirs in a respectable manner and given me a generic cookie cutter reason that you hear in every business from here to Washington. All of these aspects paint Joe Risk and Zenzuu in a very shady way from my perspective.
The video also attempts to instill a sense of duty( and a bit of justification to seem more noble) by saying that you can help others. Sounds nice and ridiculous as the same time. Let me devote my time on a social site to better the economic situation of my friends. To put it bluntly,this "system" is based on selfishness . More people I bring the more money I make. I don't however,need to feel bad because I am "helping them." So its not about contributing or striving towards a beneficial goal but chucking people into the bandwagon at the promise of more cash that, once again, you "may be eligible" to get.
I really belive this website to be risky and not reliable. I also think that no one gives money just for referring friends, it just never happens. More than likely there will be a time when you will need to enter your credit card information and they will take something from you.Thw whole idea of making money through this Zen Zuu website, its just not getting to me. The man chosen for the video does not appeal to me, he does not come across as trustworthy, I questioned everything he said. And what about his name: Joe Risk??? What kind of name is this for someone who is offering money to millions of people only for referring their friends to the website he sponsors, or whatnot.I really do not think it appealed to logos and ethos at all. The video does not even tell us who he is. He tries to convince people in an uneffective manner. Yeah sure, most people willl fall into anything that promises money, but the rules of the "game" are not even clear. He says that you have to log into the site 30 times before you receive any money and that is if you are even eligible and then you also have to recruit people and the people you get have to log into the site 30 times and then there is the possiblity that it is all a lie and you won't get paid. I just do not believe this website is reliable, the man does not speak with conviction, he just makes me question whatever comes out of his mouth, he does not seem serious, and what he speaks is "too good to be true".
Do you ZenZuu?
IMO this advertisement seems like a hoax. Although they are successful in reaching out to their audience, i believe they fail to appeal to the audiences' pathos. They appeal to your logic by giving you certain detailed statistics. They put it in simple terms for you and explain how you can get rich. They stayed organized with their thoughts and they had a good flow with the information. I felt that the spokesman was not speaking with conviction. I felt as if it were all some joke on the other social networks like Myspace and Facebook. The company is not successful in appealing towards the audiences' ethos. They give you examples to appeal to your logical thinking but not facts or actual statistics on previous revenue. All in all, they fail to convince me to try out thier over-hyped social network. Maybe with a more formal approach in their video, they could capture the audiences attention.
Zenzuu is risky. This Joe Risk dude is a tool. I have no thought to even create an account because of his demeanor. he does not make the website appealing to join. If i wanted money i would get it from the man who wears that green jacket full of question marks on it. At least he makes saving money appealing with all of his exuberance. (prob. spelled that wrong) No rhetorical strategies were effective in this video. No pathos because he did not seem to sell the product that he was advertising. How can you sell a product with that cynical demeanor? Most advertisements get people do seem happy and perky even when the product is a dud. There was no real ethical problem to the video. It definately showed no logic because i got more confused when he started talking about the 10th level. What the hell is the 10th level? and if it a level system tell us how to get 1-9 before you jump to ten? Also something i picked up on was that it does not even really start until august of 08. Why would start now when i would not even be qualified to get money until august. Also why would the owners hire somebody to do the ad. If Joe's main point is that the owners share 80% of the money wouldn't it just be better to get an owner to do it because they are the ones who the system. Joe probably had a script to say. Another thing isthat itwas done alone. A more logical ad would have an audience to be there to witness the ad. Example! the " set it and forget it" rotissere cookers. The ads were always in front of an audience to get the full appeal of the product. It even had a slogan. No one was a eyewitness, he did not go step by step using the actual website. how is this ad credible ?What is the ad really trying to sell?
Joe Risk sounds like yo risk= i risk to do zenzuu
After watching the video, the website did not seem creditable by the Spokesman's way of speaking to the audience or in this case to me. Maybe it was the dulled background with the only expressing colors were khaki and some green pillows. The only way he earned credit was by wearing a suit, that may appeal to other types of audiences. He tries to explain this sort of "trickle down" theory. Where if the people you have recruited and others they have recruited make a certain amount of money, you make just as much. The problem, is that I personally think that this type of system does not work or progress. Then, like others have already stated, there is always a catch, would you, the investor have to input some of your own at the beginning to get the system started. My knowledge for historical civilization, I can base whether this would be a good market and I think there are some information that is not being said. Others, who do not certain knowledge on history or marketing have a higher chance of falling into this business without thinking the consequences.
Alright... the first thing that came to my mind after watching that video is that it seemed like a classic pyramid scheme. The guy seemed incredibly fake and it looked like it was filmed in his mom's basement. The thought of making money will gain any average Joe Schmo's attention. But for any educated person such as myself I just wouldn't waste my time on that. Perhaps if they would have used some celebrity as their spokesman I would be more willing to throw down and get involved.
Okayy this is pretty insane. I've never heard of anything like this. I think that this "Joe Risk" character did a pretty good job in trying to sell the website. He kept using the three different appeals over and over again. I don't really think this thing is for real. What I couldn't help but notice while this guy was pleading for his audience to get into this Zenzuu was how he was sitting in a random living room. Also his tie was flipped backwards which started to pissed me off as well. I don't think it was very professional at all. I found it pretty clever when he mentioned the whole Super Bowl deal. He tries to compare it to something that people out there could relate to. He uses the logos appeal when he mentions the amount of money someone can make IF they log on thirty times in a month which he mentions can be done in an hour. He explains how the business works and how anyone can change the financial status for the rest of their lives. The whole thing is a raffle which means that you won't automatically get the 80% share. I agree with one of the comments saying that if it were that easy to make hundres og thousands of dollars, no one would work or go to school. The guy sounds like he wants to sell you a car. I honestly don't buy it but I am curious to see what this is going to turn out to be like.
J Muñiz
Oh my God I can not stop laughing on how ridiculous this is. This is, in my opinion, meant for people who sit around all day looking for jobs on the internet and stumble on an advertising site that is clearly propaganda because such a situation is not feasible in this world...I think people don't want to become innovaitors anymore, they just want to make the quick and easy buck. What people have to realize is that they can't resort to easy solutions. They actually need to get off the couch to find a descent job with a steady pay . Don't get me wrong, this guy really puts in the effort in brainwashing people. There is a quote by this rap group called "Dead Prez" that states "You can't fool all the people all of the time. But if you fool the right ones, then the rest will fall behind." This is actually a verse from a song that they rap about. It is called "Propaganda." If this site were to attract some people that others look up to, I guarantee you that they will follow as well. In conclusion people just need to be more aware of tempting situations such as this one and take the time to realize what they might get in.
Technically speaking, Zenzuu would need to block out the competition (i.e. FaceBook, and Myspace) to get enough people to fully commit to their program. They have not even reach the popularity status that its competitors have. For them to actually be financially successful they would need to find “sneaky” ways to be able to pay its users the amount they are suppose to receive. I took the time to read the Privacy Policy and from what I see … their users have no privacy. “Your (“PII”) includes your full name, email address, mailing address, telephone number, or CREDIT CARD number that you voluntarily provide to ZenZuu when you register to be a Member of the ZenZuu Services (also known as “Registration PII”). “ Off the bat they ask you for a credit card which is a red flag that it is a scam. Third parties also have the right to view your information as said in the “terms” which people agree to when they become a member and SPAM is guaranteed (said in the privacy policy). Well not exactly, my becoming a member you authorize ZenZuu to offer your email to other clients of theirs.
The video itself is somewhat effective. The spokesperson in the promotional video uses several rhetorical appeals to lure in their audience but comes a bit short in the overall affect of convincing his audience. His most noticeable appeal is to pathos. His tone of voice is a selling technique in which he uses throughout the whole presentation. He uses strong selling techniques to attract its customers. By using the idea of getting paid for bringing in "friends", they appeal to the assumed naive teenage cliental their plan might just work but for those who have “common sense”, their plan came a tad short. He does grab your attention briefly with the signaling of the numbers with his hands but its affective for 6 years old not his 18+ audience. Their intended audience are young teenagers who will believe anything they hear. Whether their information is valid or not, the majority of my peers and I have already assumed that this “scam” is too good to be true and have no given ZenZuu a fair chance to see if they really go by their word. The man practically read us the fine print throughout the video. He clearly stated that by logging into the ZenZuu at least 30 times will make you ELIGIBLE to get profit out of their program. In addition, users would have to recruit other people to rise in the corporate ladder. Never does he say where the money is coming from nor if anybody will ever see that 80%. The consumers have no idea how much money is put into the ZenZuu nor how much is 80% of it is. Who calculates how much money is made? Who says how much money you earn? There is not much logos in the video. Graphs, testimonies and charts would have strengthen their argument and made it more credible. Ethos is seldom used. He repeats major points of his argument that he feels is important and that will appeal to his audience which is part of his selling technique.
Although we do not want to believe in the product itself and there are a lot of unanswered question, the video and product are effective in raising eye brows isn’t that why we are all writing this blog.
When I was watching the clip I thought this guy may have have a great idea that many people are using the internet to make advertisement and the example of the Super Bowl but when he accounted for money in this process, I feel this has to have some "risks". No one makes money that easy by just clicking and having friends join.
Joe "Risk" makes it seem that it is that easy but it is not. First of all you must have logged on 30 times in a month, and have others do the same to have a chance just to qualify for their requirements. Joe Risk does not look credible enough to catch the audience attention. The video just gives me a man just talking about money and advertisements and does not give me enough evidence that this idea (of social networking) is working out.
There were some good ideas that he did mention, like the earnings of 80% of revenue. This did appeal to my logic (logos)because as a consumer in a economy that is in recession, money would be useful. Although this was the only good idea, everything else was not credible. I would not join it because I do not find it to my interest to put time into a website that does not give me enough evidence that it will work.
Although we've talked about this. I'd like to reiterate the fact that the old mans name is Jor Risk. Why would oyu take a risk and join this zennzuu opportunity, you'll end up scammed. Instead of hiring a yound, handsome, appealing young man to speak to the networking crowd zenzuu hires an old man who's trying to fit in with the crowd. The entire video was like an annoying infomercial. This man is trying so hard to sell this easy money making oppurtunity but he is actually digging a deeper whole for himslef. The way he shakes and waves his hands over and over make what he is saying unbelievable although he says it does work. Throughout the video the audience is waiting to hearhowyou make the money but it is nevertruly stated how you get. He says that those who sign in and have accounts get from 80% of what the company makes but how do you get your hands on that money. All the important details are in fine print. This is purosely made this way because if they say how everything truly works then no one willsign up. Maybe we're wrong but hey we'll just have to wait. By the way, I think Dantes was wrong about saying it is a pyramid because how can it be a Pyramid if you are not investing money at the beginning?
I don't really buy this video. I mean, all that talk he gives about making some easy money sounds very appealing, but it feels like theres a catch or as if it's not as easy as it looks. I'm not a technology person, so it's kind of difficult for me to comprehend.
As for the social networking, I know that myspace and facebook and both very successful and are a huge help in communication in my life, but I don't really trust doing finances online and sharing it with other people. To me, I feel like this ad is just saying "money, money money money money" and nothing else.
As for the video overall, it didn't catch my interest all the way. I felt the talking and repetition got boring and tasteful to watch.
i like how only 3 people other than myself caught the name joe risk and also how everyone after me points out that its a pyramid scheme... also danny you are right
mona vie is one of the biggest scams ever...
and if you are in anyway associated with this new wonder drink, shame on you..
if you've actually read up on this sham, you would actually have to drink 4 oz a day, from a roughly 25 oz bottle... each bottle costs about $40, and you can't get singles you have to get a case of 4... so roughly $160 per month.. and what does mona vie base its healthy treat on? the acai berry... a very health friendly berry, btu problem is... mona vie does not let you know exactly how much acai berries are in each serving of the 19 fruit beverage.... also the pyramid scheme behind this is ridiculous.. its said to be a MLM system (multi level marketing) but how many of the individual distributors take advantage of that... sooo totally deviating from the topic at hand... (which i already wrote something on it) Mona Vie sucks and anyone who drinks/distributes/praises this drink... is an idiot :D.. go ahead and delete it if you want tasha, but you know its true
At first the website did catch my intention. The colors were apealing. The blue and green background made it look professional, welcoming and friendly. Also, I thought that appeling to our pathos by underlining the word MONEY was a good strategy, since people will do anything for money. However, my thoughts changed when I saw the video. The video was suppose to give the website cedibility, but it totally did the oppopsite. First off, the guy looks professional with a Donald Trump look to him, but his tone and gestures were not appealing. He looks like he is going to act us and I think he was lipreading. (or it can just be the echo) Also, the more he talked the more confusing he was, and at the end it left me questioning " So what do I do and how do I make money?" In addition, the whole pyramid scheme sounds like Prime Ameica, where no matter what you do you are on the bottom and there are millions of people on top making a whole lot more money than you. At the end, the only way I'd figure this company can make money it through advertising and if that is the case I would not mind joining. But it just did not convince me and it seems like there is a catch to this website.
Wow it seems everyones problems can be resolved with the simplicity of this idea of "ZENZUU". Although the idea seems great and wonderful, do you really think we are all going to earn huge amounts of money? This guy "Risk" does a horrible job in my opinion at advertising zenzuu. He always uses the same tone of voice and after a while it becomes repetitive and annoying. At first as im sure it did for everyone else, it catches your attention immediately. On the other hand after watching it for 2 or 3 minutes you begin to realize that this is impossible. This idea of zenzuu would not work, in the current world we live in it is impossible, somewhere along the way of being a member of zenzuu you are going to be asked to give money and not just small portions of it, im sure you are going to have to give huge amounts of money. This just seems extremely fake. As for the people who made Zenzuu, if they wanted to appeal more to the audience I would have used somebody famous, someone who caught my attention immediately, but they used someone whos name was "risk." This being the case, I can only think if I were to join this my money would be at risk...as for people who have joined zenzuu, I say, be careful...
"All good things come to an end"
I dont know natasha, this is too good to be true. But still he made it look true and actually used rhetorical strategies. I was able to see how he first clinched the audience by telling us how we can benefit from the site and plus he told us we can earn thousands of dollars if we enroll others with you. Its tooo good!!! He also used the other social sites that are out right now to compare it with his, it was a pretty good device to use as evidence that we dont gain nothing from using facebook or myspace. I dont know miss this is too good, but still if I enroll do you wanna be under my name so I can gain more money!!!...lol...see ya in class...
About 2 weeks ago one of my friends came to my house to introduce me into the networking business. Recenmtly my boyfriend and i have gotten involved in this kind of business to give it a shot. From stories that i have heard the networking business does give alot of money. there is so much money out there to make that people are quitting thier jobs to focus soley on networking. This website is basically the same thing. By using retorical strategies people are bond to check out the website or even give some considerations to give it a try. They appeal to logos by talking about money. Everyone wants to earn fast easy money, specially if it doens't cost money to join in. They also use repetition that it is FREE TO JOIN this money making opportunity. In my opinion it seems to good to be true, it can't possibly that it ca be so easy to make money from home. I love being on the cumputer and it seems like this would be something that i can do on my free time. The video explains everything in such pretty terms that some people my be skeptic but others went ahead and signed up that same day. Another strategy they used was having the speaker talk directly into the camera to give the illusion that he is talking directly to you. By doing this they make a person feel what he is saying. His tone of voice also influences the way you feel. He speaks with confidence and increases the sound of his voice to give importance to his message. I can say that in my opinion this video did a good job in using rhetotrical stratergies to persuade people to join there team.
I am no newbie to the social network trend. I have several accounts, each on different forums (message boards), and I have a Livejournal account (considering getting a Facebook, but skeptical about Myspace). But I must say that ZenZuu has a very interesting concept. The presentation was well done -- esp. with the part where he said "remember when you would go on other social networks and refer your friends and family but did not get so much as a dime in return?" That was his most compelling argument.
However, it seems too good to be true that you can make cash by simply logging in 30 times to your ZenZuu account in one month. FOr one thing, it's hardly any work, and you may not be satisfied by earning so much (supposedly) while barely lifting a finger. Also, it seems like a fatal flaw, to be giving away revenue as income so willingly. I mean, what will happen to ZenZuu itself? They may be taking the "Robin Hood" concept a bit far. That is simply my opinion though. Who knows, maybe you CAN get a significant share of money by logging in 30 times in a month. But what satisfaction will that leave you?
I watched the video a couple of times and it seems a little fishy to me. He did give "facts" and background information that should work for his audience to convince them that Zenzuu is such a great site. How do we even know that these "facts" are true? Who is he He's even dressed professionally which also shows his credibility, but for some reason I can't just believe everything someone tries to tell me over the internet. He kept stressing certain point to make sure that we got what he wanted us to get out of his "speech", but I still can't bring myself to completely believe it 100%. I didn't find that he really did have many appeals to rhetorical strategies either. In the beginning it says in writing "Joe Risk on..." Uhhmm, is that suppose to be his name? If so, is that his real name? I don't know, but it doesn't really work for me at all. I thought that was kind of funny. Overall, it's not very convincing although he does throw out some very convincing ideas, his overall appeal just doesn't work for me.
Free money, yea ok. I don't give humanity that much credibility. There has to be a catch; business will always be business, in other words someone is going end up screwed. So, these people want to become ultra rich by having all of humanity connected, that is not a bad idea. That is actually pretty cool. But, I'll just wait to see what happens to those who trust in it first. Then, I'll make my final judgments.
It seems like a HoOAAxXxX. lol. Well, first off, the video iself isn't too promising. The dude is wearing a suit and is in a nice room but the video camera is at an angle which seems unprofessional. The video includes a lot of numbers and I personally wouldn't investttttt my time in this kind of thing. I use myspace and facebook and probably log into it every day of the month but I guess I have had enough dosage of networking things with friends. The Zenzuu doesn't seem promising and I feel like it includes a lot of work and math! lol. The video was a drag and I dont thing it will be a great hit in the future. He said something like, he had asked other companies why you give 80 percent to the customers, and they said they wanted to thank the people. I mean commmmmmeee on, wouldn't they want that money for themselves? Why would they keep less and give people more money? Umm, its not very convincing because he doesn't have other people saying how it REALLY works, like they do on infomercials lol. He speaks with a lot of numbers but many times those promised cash things don't usually follow through. It doesn't include what advantage it has besides the money over myspace and facebook. This Zenzuu is more of an advertisement headache thing. SOOOOOOOOO NOT INTERESTEDDDDDD!
Well, basically I'm not sure if it truely is what it says its for. Watching the video, I personally thought the guy was phoney and sounded like all the other people that try to take your money. I'm not into networking online, I do have a myspace, but I only talk to people I know, so I don't know how much it would work. Everything seems really good, but then again these websites do get a lot of money by advertising and in giving the members of the website some money that'll encourage more and more people to join, making the website bigger and better, and more money will be coming in. I'd become a member just to see what happens but without high expectations.
this company seems kind of shady. The guy seems to be sitting in his living room or something and I still don't even understand how this company plans to pay these people. This seems to be a gimmick to get peoples back account info or like a bad stock investment or something. And if this is a real site then why didnt they give us a tour of the site and the so called link did not even work. I really I am not convinced that this is a real company. Something is really not right I just can not put my fingure on it.
I know it's a little late to turn in this post, but I thought I'd try...
internet networking to me is amazing. It allowed me to find people I haven't talked to since elementary school, as well as another means of keeping in touch with my current peers.
When I visited the zenzuu website, there was stil the question of "what's the catch?" going through my head. The video was very informative and it answered any questions I had about this whole networking to get revenue concept, however as far as trying to "sell" this to other people, it didn't work. The guy became kinda demanding towards the end, and I felt like I was in the middle of those cheesy car dealership commercials. This guy named Joe doesn't seem credible at all. Who is he? What makes him an ideal spokesperson for zenzuu? This concept of getting paid to log on 30 times in a month isn't credible either. What do I do once I'm logged in? And the people I invite have to log on 30 times if I even want to receive any revenue. He has an audience, but did not specify saying from "the poorest to the richest." It only appeals to ethos and logos in the smallest ways. It appeals to logos by stating that members receive 80% of profits. It appeals to ethos by having Joe repeat how easy it is and how much money you can receive. His tone of voice is trying to say that making money on this website is easy and for everyone, when they don't even state any details about it. This webstie is bogus.
Zen Zuu ?? I don't even understand the name. I mean yeah he explained how it all supposedly works but I still don't get it. Why would a company give 80% of the earnings to us, just common folk. there has to be some kind of catch like an intrest rate on every dollar we get form this. There is no way that there is someone just handing out money like this, and if so then im in for grabs too. However, although the movie was put together pretty good it gave off a weird vibe to me anyways. Like how about an office, he's sitting on some random couch and the lighting is kind of dark. He also has like this con man look on his face. I don't know maybe im not very trusting of people, or maybe i can see though lies. This to me just looks like a lie
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